Joey Wright teamed up with Fstoppers to create a full length tutorial on swimwear photography. This short excerpt from the tutorial focuses on posing. If you're not working with a professional model, this video will help you quickly spot and correct common posing mistakes made on set. This skill applies to every genre of photography, not just swimwear shoots.
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FFS, how's the poor model meant to remember all that shit when they eventually get round to doing the actual shoot? Sorry to all you fan boys out there, but the photographer came across as a totally patronising twat. Also, I do a lot of model photography myself, and touching the model uninvited is a definite no no.
Joey, I would like to know what you think about Portrait Pro and Portrait Pro Body. I have been using them for a while and I have found them to be very good at retouching, and it has make my workflow easier and faster. What is your insight? I would appreciate the answer.
Indeed, I also tend to over correct too much. The most important things for me at this point are 1) being able to work as fast as possible because of all the work I have, and 2) being able to do it easily. Both Portrait Pro and Pro Body help me do so. Try the Pro Body. It is not perfect, but it really helps a lot when it comes to retouching parts of the body ;)
I use Portrait Pro, haven't tried pro body as yet. I find that using portrait Pro I tend to over correct too much.
Other than that, it's an amazing program, with many alternatives, even changing hair color.
Overall I enjoyed the video. It reinforced somethings that I try to do already but I also got some great tips that I had not thought of. The squinting discussion was something that I do not agree with, but I almost feel that it was more of a semantics issue. I did not feel Lisa was really squinting. I think James Madison's suggestion was good.
That said, I did find the first part of the video, while informative, a bit off-putting. The first thing I found a bit odd was you talking to her and she never saying a thing, just occasionally nodding her head rather mechanically. I would have preferred if you had talked to the viewers; more like the second half of the video.
The other thing that you did during the video that I felt gave a totally wrong impression was when you reached over and moved her into the position you wanted. While I am sure that you have probably worked with the model a lot and she was probably fine with it, I feel for a tutorial it gives the wrong impression to photographers just starting out. I always ask permission to touch the model or the model's hair, even models who I know very well and who are more like family.
Thanks for the reply. As far as Lisa not talking, that was less of the issue than him talking to Lisa and not his audience. I think a style more like he did in the second half where he addresses his audience as well as Lisa is just a bit more appealing to me.
As far as the squinting or squinching I think it is more of a semantics issue. I looked up the term and looked at photos and to me squinching is not the same as squinting. I live in Phoenix so it is almost impossible to avoid squinting, where the eyes are almost closed. I do not know of anyone who like a photograph of someone squinting because of bright sun. I agree that the deer in headlights look is unflattering, but it is also not natural in that it is an over exaggeration of opening up the eyes. Similarly squinting, like when you have someone facing into the noonday sun, is an exaggeration. I prefer something that is more like a naturally open eye that one has when indoors. What I do not like about squinting is that it narrows the eyes so much that you cannot see the iris or pupil. It also causes creases around the eye. That said, I have come to the conclusion that this is more of my misunderstanding the definition of the term.
I believe Joey talks about some of these concerns in the full length
As for Lisa not talking, that section was filmed in hard,
harsh sunlight and we did not put a microphone on her (where would you
put it too?). There really wasn't a lot for her to say but obviously if
you had this conversation on your own set it would be much more
personable than what Joey did for the sake of this tutorial. We were
just trying to get out as much information as possible in a simple and
easy to digest manner.
Concerning squinting, it def makes a huge difference in the look of your model. When shooting outdoors, most people will squint to some degree already which makes the photos look much better. Peter Hurley uses the phrase "squinching" to describe the look a person needs to give the camera in order to connect. He says the squint in the eyes gives people confidence while the mouth either gives a sense of approach-ability or bitchiness. I think this is absolutely true and the last thing you want is a model to have the big "dear in the headlights" look in their eyes. What exactly do you not like about having people slightly squint in their photos?
This was a pretty helpful video. The talk with Lisa was great to see how to go about it. I haven't done much people photography, and I got pretty nervous on a project I'm working on with some people who aren't even models because I want to be clear but not come across as bossy. The "grabbing your chin" and "grabbing your face" is much better than the pointing around I was doing! I also didn't realize that discomfort was a good indicator.
Do be aware when touching the model, not all models are ok with it, so just be careful, it depends on the model, as well as the relationship you have with them,
None the less one of the best tutorial type videos ive seen,
I have found that sometimes drawing in the sand out of frame can help by saying turn your body to the 8 and your head to the 1
Amazing part of lesson. I must say of the posing lesson videos i've seen, it's probably the best, at explaining also why he is choosing the poses, trying to get a balance / natural feel. I admit it's really making me want to see more of Joey passing some of his tips like here.
If you work with the same model enough it would become a second language. Especially at a beach when waves and winds are up speaking to someone can get hard at any kind of distance. Yelling at someone so they can hear you ruins the mood totally. At the end of the day if the model can't learn basic stuff like that they aren't cut out for the job.
Joey is one of the most fun yet down to earth people I know (not just in the photography industry). I actually hope I get to make it down to Miami sometime soon just to hang out; he's incredibly funny too.
He's a sleeply clown for sure but he's an incredible photographer who is quite good at teaching. Many photographers work with a high end crew and models and tend to "get lucky" a lot but Joey certainly has a vision for every detail.
bla40955 I like the fact that they went with Lisa because Mela seems too professional to me. We would want a model that is pretty close to the real model we might work with. I'm not saying Lisa is bad in any ways.
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