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Budget Magic: Nevermore vs Sun and Moon (Match 5)

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It's the lock mirror! Who will come out on top? Our opponent with their Blood Moon, Chalice of the Void, planeswalker heavy Sun and Moon deck, or out $98 budget Nevermore brew? ► Read more about this deck (full article): https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-97-29-tix-nevermore-modern ► View this deck with the latest prices: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/672613#paper ◼ Purchase this deck (paper): http://mtg.fish/PkpjR ◼ Purchase this deck (Magic Online): http://mtg.fish/kv3MP
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NoPlanB 513 (1 year ago)
Planning on making a red and white version of this nevermore deck for Simian Spirit Guide, lighting helix, and Sarkhan the dragonspeaker as my finishers
Sarah Rogers (1 year ago)
at 1:00 his opponent played blood moon with only two lands. how did he do that?
Luliby (1 year ago)
Exiled Simian Spirit Guide for one more mana.
Sébastien Beaudette (1 year ago)
gideon intervention is correct now?
Ryan (1 year ago)
Drink every time Seth says "out-prison the prison deck"
Rolf Vlierhuis (1 year ago)
SalmonOfK84 (1 year ago)
Is there a reason you didn't play out a Detention Sphere on Blood Moon game 3? Like, it didn't make that much of a difference, but it would have solved your blue mana shortage more easily than Spreading Seas.
Luke Greene (1 year ago)
Spreading Seas draws him an extra card, and he keeps the blue mana even if the opponent draws another Blood Moon off the top. And the sphere can answer other threats the opponent could play. Clean, effective and well played.
Rendroc (1 year ago)
This deck could really use Meddling Mage
The Id (1 year ago)
MTGGoldfish you have to build a non-budget version of this deck, I would love to see a match of that.
MTGGoldfish (1 year ago)
Yeah, it's in the non-budget version, but a bit expensive for the budget build.
Thomas Kim (1 year ago)
Seth how come you don't do "wrap up"s with all these series? They are a nice way to close out watching the games of a crazy deck.
MTGGoldfish (1 year ago)
No real specific reasons, it's just always been that way (also, partly because Budget Magic gets a full article when Much Abrew gets a much shorter article), but I might have to change it in the future and add a wrap up for Budget Magic.
owen mitchem (1 year ago)
How did they play blood moon? It costs 3
MTGGoldfish (1 year ago)
They exiled a Simian Spirit Guide for an extra mana.
woolsyzygy (1 year ago)
Could someone explain to me how opp played Blood Moon with only a Sacred Foundry and a Plains?
David Spivey (1 year ago)
woolsyzygy Because Simian Spirit Guide's ability is a mana ability (least I think it is) it doesn't use the stack. If you watch the video at that point look at the top left corner near the opp's player icon. A small notification pops up saying that the guide entered the exile zone. That's the only clue it happened.
Sea Men (1 year ago)
He used a Simian Spirit Guide
woolsyzygy (1 year ago)
I see, thanks! Did Seth just edit the play out or does it just not appear when played for mana?
Rudolf Erasmus (1 year ago)
Simian Spirit Guide
David Spivey (1 year ago)
woolsyzygy Hard to notice on MTGO but opp had Simian Spirit Guide and exiled it for the third mana.
elemenope (1 year ago)
around the 9:00 mark i got really nervous about blood moon into wrath of god everytime the islands were tapped
Eugene Quek (1 year ago)
So how much does it cost to play each best of 3?
petzkuh (1 year ago)
Eugene Quek It's 20 play points to do single matches, you get 30 points for a win and 5 for a loss. EDIT: 10 play points is roughly 1 USD
NoneNotEvenSome (1 year ago)
It's 8 tix for the 5-game league, so about 8usd. You break even at 3 wins, if I'm not mistaken
darkgod789 (1 year ago)
11:36 lightning helix the new blue burn counter spell right guys? XD
Edward Haag (1 year ago)
darkgod789 it's MTGO's answer to the blue hurricane.
Bruno Favilla (1 year ago)
worries about blessed alliance and sudden shock while there is a chalice on 2.
freehopper nz (1 year ago)
Wrong ending message. Loved the deck :)
Liam Moffat (1 year ago)
in game 3 when your opponent played a second blood moon why did you not detention sphere it so you could get both?
NoneNotEvenSome (1 year ago)
He didn't need to, opponent was so far behind due to missing land drops and Seth had a white-heavy hand and the one island he needed to operate. If he had drawn Aetherling instead of Elspeth you probably would have seen the moons vanish.
WaterZer0 (1 year ago)
Why is it called "sun" and moon? Obviously the moon is from blood moon.
Sethsters 91 (1 year ago)
That is correct. Since then it just added a bunch of different walkers.
juptor (1 year ago)
When this deck first saw play, it had sun titan, back in titan standard.
MTGGoldfish (1 year ago)
That's a good question. I'm guessing the Moon=Blood Moon and Sun=white mana theory is correct.
WaterZer0 Just a guess, but the white mana symbol looks like a sun, so that might be why.
Zumbo (1 year ago)
Why do you put Telepathy in the deck if you don't play it before playing Nevermore?
Marios Margaritis (1 year ago)
There was a chalice of the void for 1 at the time.
bladd nun (1 year ago)
Chalice on 1?
could you make an izzet control, then side board to make it an izzet aggro? I feel like it would be a good idea but I don't know
Darkneszora (1 year ago)
Telepathy look so sweet to play with. Awesome deck seth
Ferdi the Tank (1 year ago)
What about giving up blue for black? Replace Telepathy and Peek with discard, adding Phyrexian Arenas for continious advantadge and adding more finishers, like Sorins, and possible a 1-of Stafield of Nyx, since we're playing a lot like Enduring Ideal anyway.
Played Too Much Magic (1 year ago)
Seems telepathy was better than discard would be in this deck. Telepathy let him shut down and play around a good deal of cards rather than just one.
Liam Moffat (1 year ago)
I ran this deck as an esper deck and used starfield instead of aetherling, it was okay.
Louis Moenne-Loccoz (1 year ago)
can people voice their opinion on drawing off spreading seas and then scrying versus scrying and the drawing? around the 3:40 mark
MTGGoldfish (1 year ago)
My thinking in that situation was that it didn't really matters since we were tapped out anyway, so no matters what card we find we aren't using it until the next turn (at the earliest). On the other hand if you are digging for a specific card that you need to play that turn (or an instant like Path to Exile for your opponent's turn) always scry before drawing. Actually, if there's any chance you might want to cast the card you draw, you probably should just scry first.
Cory Thackston (1 year ago)
Shadowkillerx777 well speaking from a pure probability standpoint my point still stands, but speaking from an actual deck logic (which in hindsight is the better way to think about it) your point is probably better. That makes sense, thanks for correcting me
Shadowkillerx777 (1 year ago)
that is not how math works if we were talking about seths current library (48 cards) and his desired hits (19 lands left) it would be 19/48 to draw then scry to draw a land this turn and 19/48+28/48*18/48 to draw a land after scrying. Obviously "twice" is wrong, but since his hits are 19/48 scrying first was better
Cory Thackston (1 year ago)
+Colgate Lampinen That literally only works with 30/60 cards being desirable, and I clearly said that it would be better to scry then draw if it's more likely that your first card on top won't be a desirable card. If you have 4 desirable card draws at that time out of 60 and you just draw a card then scry, you're giving yourself a 4/60 or 1/15 chance to draw one, but if you scry first you're giving yourself a 4x2/60=2/15 chance since you're potentially seeing two cards. So you're doubling your odds of finding the right card if it's more likely that your top card won't be a desirable draw. Just like I said.
Colgate Lampinen (1 year ago)
Cory Thackston I see so if I have 60 card library with 30 desirable cards, any card have chance of 30/60=1/2 to be desired card and for any set of two cards probability to have at least one is 2*1/2=1 so if I pick any 2 cards they are guaranteed to have at least 1 desirable card? Can't argue with that.
Anditesh Ordo (1 year ago)
you got a try this deck outside of budget
Andrew Dryden (1 year ago)
Stony Silence is a big omission.
John Andonuts (1 year ago)
This deck would get massively better with Chalice and especially with Celestial Colonnade as another finisher. Though at that point you're mostly just playing a weird version of UW Control.
Sethsters 91 (1 year ago)
Add some fetches, more Paths and some Chalices and it would be pretty sick.
Ayllip khieu (1 year ago)
Aetherling is such an underrated card!!!
Kyle Hart (1 year ago)
It's also an expensive card. It's the price of a titan.
Stephen Housman (1 year ago)
worries about blessed alliance while there is a chalice on 2.
Tom Galonska (1 year ago)
He also worried about the sudden shock. :D It happens, not a big misplay. :)
Lucky Looch (1 year ago)
Stephen Housman Everyone forgets it's there from time to time. It happened not to be a hinderence to saph at the moment so he didn't see it.

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